Teen Mania is Dead

Teen Mania International announced today that they are cancelling this years internship program – giving prospective interns and their families only a few weeks notice to make other plans (and likely keeping their money). The program will supposedly be reinstated in 2015….if Teen Mania even makes it that far.

Years of declining attendance numbers in every program, years of reckless spending, the foreclosure, substantiated allegations of abuse, changing the entire internship model and then outright canceling it in a matter of weeks – these are the death knells for Teen Mania’s empire.

With no intern labor force to call youth pastors and teenagers, Teen Mania is now looking for promoters to fill their events in exchange for a percentage of the revenue. If you can’t keep an organization afloat when the majority of your labor force is PAYING YOU…well, do I really have to spell that out?

Goodbye, Teen Mania. You are now on life support. You can keep gasping for breath but its only a matter of time before the plug is pulled and you are gone forever.

440 Comments on "Teen Mania is Dead"

  1. I want to know what Ron's been doing with the money that's been coming in (from slave labor tuition and GE trips) since he hash't paid the compound mortgage since November. A $3K mission trip to eat PB&J (and donated meals from the host church and congregation) and you get the privilege of sleeping on the floor of a church in a third world country – where's the rest of the money going?

  2. I'm very very very upset and disappointed right now ,I was Just informed today only because i called for information and was told sorry but Honor Academy will be suspended In coming class for september 2014 and January 2015. And we will get our money back. This morning i got the wind knock out of me and to tell my daughter she can't go cause she has been wanted to go since 8th grade. so now what we do for college which starts August . Lord please help me with these emotions cause my child is hurting and disappointed and can't stop crying. why did you wait so late! that is what i have a problem with and somrthing dont make sense cause only 6 kids only signed up so you dont have others already there. So HA is finished I feel like my child was not thought of and was just another number if only 6 kids coming you make some calls and use some pull so they can go to school very unprofessional and unfair to these kids and parents .If this was the case and only 6 kids he should have called his self. Meaning RON LUCE. and we say we care for this Generation i was not making her go she wanted to Go Big DIFFERENCE.But God knows why and now we are trying to get her in school somewhere very very very very very very UPSET cause you dont care cause i feel you know the number was low and these 6 kids oh well. This is why I teach my Kids trust in JESUS and not MAN they will let you down everytime. JUST HEART BROKEN >!BUT THIS SHALL PASS>

  3. I'm sorry to hear that you are so upset about the cancellation. But trust me when I tell you that you have truly avoided a world of hurt.

  4. Yes I know and i was reading some of the stories on here and all I can say is wow ! Thank You Lord for closing that Door.I'm dont want toBad talk HA . Sorry about my post before just MAD cause it hurt my Child and her feeling like she failed.She ok now we have prayed and God has a Plan for her and we pray for the others who plan on going and for HA that things come together for them.

  5. This is what is spinning in my head right now
    1) I wonder if they thought they would get a huge turn out for the new Aug Class and the apartment gave them a block discount rate
    2) If they keep saying use your Federal Aid College Money to pay for college and use the left over to pay for the internship (really brain dead idea to go in debt for this ) if they just realized they missed like every deadline for this and was like oh shit.
    3) If the new incoming class was to start college wouldn't you think they would have to fill out not only an intern application but one as well for the college they would be attending.
    4) Also knowing they were moving, trying to start something in Dallas, FASA/College deadline why wait to the last min to get. Why not have a plan back in NOV when as Ron said god told him to give the campus back and move to Dallas to start this new phase of TMI

    I mean really this was like when we were told about moving to Garden Valley after "WE GOT" to Tulsa. Countless calls to hey send in your money. But did not really know this until we got there. Not all of us were to a happy about this news.

    To the mom with the heartbroken daughter. I am so sorry about the pain and now how her life is scrambling to get something in place. You are right Ron himself should have called the family to personally let you know what is going on. As well already had the package in the mail for the returned funds.

    If you ask me this is just the things to come for when it does ( it if does ) start back up in Jan 2015

    I would not waste my time or money on this

    MM

  6. Anon @6:50pm,
    I'm so sorry for the hurt and turmoil you and your daughter are experiencing at the hands of Teen Mania. It's totally normal to feel upset after news of this type of betrayal. I hope that you do get your money back and that everything works out for your family. You're right, Ron Luce should absolutely have called personally, and they most certainly should have given you more advance notice.

  7. Thanks everyone I really never wanted her to go in the first place being so far and all the unknown changes,but i was walking with faith and when we receive the conference call with Ron telling us al the new changes and where they will be staying i felt better.just did not like the food issue and her not having furiture which we would have to rent for her but that was not going to be a problem.I still had other concerns (felt something but just did not listen to that little voice inside) husband told me it was (FEAR) and let her go cause she wants to .But I did pray everyday and when i felt uneasy that god uncover anything that was not right. Today is a new day and she is ok but now furious cause she wants to go to school. she was going to college after HA not both at the same time . we are happy now that we know cause if she got down there and things went south.and no we are done with them wish them well but with out us.

  8. Did the first commenter say that there were only 6 people signed up for the august internship?

  9. The comments from the anonymous parent here exemplify exactly why Teen Mania's destruction was inevitable, a moment I've known was coming ever since I first heard about ESOAL. In particular:

    > "it hurt my Child and her feeling like she failed."

    Really, that says it all. In ten simple words, everything that was wrong with Teen Mania summed up in a tragically appropriate epitaph. "Here lies (ahem) Teen Mania: They hurt my child and made her feel like she failed."

    RA and everyone involved with this website should be proud of a job well done for their part in making sure that no more people will ever have to say that about Honor Academy.

    > "…I did pray everyday and when i felt uneasy that god uncover anything that was not right."

    And so, it would seem, He did.

    Well done.

  10. Do you have a link or a copy of the announcement?

  11. Incredible. Thanks for letting us know.

  12. Visit this page and scroll all the way to the bottom for the announcement:

    http://www.teenmaniaalumni.com/news

  13. Ron sold a large portion of ATF to the Newsboys who will be taking over promotions, logistics, and event production. That alone will reduce the need for interns in the ATF department.

  14. For atf, sure… But what about extreme camps, GE, CCM, school of worship?

  15. Not even surprised. I was an intern years ago and actually had a dream about this happening while an intern. I talked to my "leaders" about my concerns with what I was seeing while working there and how I felt like TM wouldn't last. But no one listened and everything kept on going as normal. I'm just happy I got out on my own! I will miss GE summers though. It was fun while it lasted. Good Riddance.

  16. I can say from experience that refunds ARE being made. my daughter had over $6,000 in her account and has been preparing for the August HA, but since the publication of the first World Magazine article, we started asking questions. After being given some very questionable answers, My daughter felt led of God to pull out about 2 months ago. She is now already set u to Attend a Master's Commission with a chance to get her bachelors in worship. It was hard at first, but after seeing all the changes and the questionable answers we were being given, I'm glad we pulled out when we did. I'm so sorry for those who were just told and never saw this coming. However, we DID get our money back, every penny of it. Even though it took a little bit of prodding and follow-ups e-mails, we FINALLY got it back. I agree that it appears that TM is on it's last legs. It's difficult to see them recovering from this, but since Ron has FINALLY let go of the financial department and turned it over to professionals, perhaps there's some hope left. MAYBE!

  17. I'd be very cautious about masters commission as well. They are just as bad as TMM

  18. Anon – I have to echo Shannon; if you search on Google for "Master's Commission cult" there are tons of red flags.

    Have you considered Moody Bible Institute? I have a bachelor's in sacred music from there, and their theology of worship is excellent.

    If the new finance department can turn TM around, the government should hire them next!

  19. So sad to imagine teen mania no longer existing! apart from a handful of hurts which are legitimate in their own ways, it has been such an amazing ministry making such a positive impact in millions of lives! Lets just for 1 second look past any hurts, bitterness towards Ron or Dave or any one person, and realize that in spite of all of it, God has done some great things! 🙂

  20. My children attended Ron Luce's "Acquire the Fire" for several years and throughout the process, there were a few red flags I found quite disturbing. For one, if a child, or an adult for that matter, has to pay a "fee" for attending what is called a "Christian conference", I guess the Gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT free then! Charlatans charge at the gate, the Living Water Jesus offers is absolutely free for He paid the price on the cross with His Blood. Second, after my children attended, a "representative" from Teen Mania kept calling our home asking to "speak to my child" without an explanation to us parents. So after the fourth call, I began asking some questions to this "representative" by saying "Why do you keep calling the child and not the parent for we are called by God to give an answer in raising our children? And why are you so secretive in seducing the child into attending your expensive "mission trips," one's they cannot afford in the first place? And with that, I finally politely told this representative to quit calling our home because we would NEVER allow our children to spend thousands of dollars on a "missions trip" let alone a couple of hundred! True missions is a lifestyle, a called out one preaching the Gospel, not a feel good, brag about "I went on a mission's trip" to my friends and family type of thing……these do not witness for Christ, but the narcissistic individual.

    I thank our LORD that He gave us the discernment as parents to quit sending our children to "Acquire the Fire" for we were truly deceived and led astray for a time. The research I conducted concerning what my children were learning at "Acquire the Fire" disturbed me immensely and I should have done this BEFORE I allowed my children to go instead of after, God forgive me. My former church is into the "lying signs and wonders" movement and our children are encouraged to attend these expensive events through heavy peer pressure by the teens as well as the heavy shepherding pastor and leadership.

    To all who read this comment, please know that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ can only come from one source….His Word. Teen mania is a deceptive substitute.

  21. It brings me peace that youth will no longer be wasting their time and money and emotional stability in this place. Thank you RA for helping others through your website. I pray that all who have been hurt by this place will come to realize that God is not what teen mania has made Him to be.

  22. What upsets and angers me at this point is the ongoing stone cold wall of silence on all of this from the many high profile Spiritual Leaders of Christ's Church, who formerly loudly endorsed Ron Luce and Teen Mania as utterly trustworthy and admirable. Jack Hayford and others were very vocal in arrogantly berating, mocking and dismissing Recovering Alumni and the testimony of a multitude of wounded kids and grieving parents. Even now after the public exposure of rampant financial fraud, misappropriation, mismanagement and recklessness that will potentially lead to criminal investigation and charges, these same Shepherds of God's flock turn a blind eye and deaf ear to this proven abuse of the Lord's children, choosing to be mute on the subject. Where are loud voices and published letters of former Board Members now that God has exposed the truth? Where is the outcry in Christian publications? It is all sadly lacking. Why the pretense, why the lack of humility, apology and repentance from these who led Christ's people and their children into the jaws of such a predatory wolf? They have much to account for.

  23. Odd i posted loving, kind, and Christ like reponses to many of these posts last night. However, my post were the opposte opinions because my experience with my daughter at Teen Mania was awesome today all of my posts have been removed and are gone let's keep this fair and hear both sides of the issue!

  24. i never new about aquire the fire or the honor academy until my mom, who was the youth leader at our church, drug me to a banquet put on by teen mania. i was in a very dark place in my life. they did a promotion about the HA. it seemed like the best for me to leave my troubles behind and find myself. im not gonna lie, the first four months of my experience there were some of the best and worst times. i went home for christmas break. when i came back my mind and heart wasnt in it. but i was glad to be back with like minded people. i loved being able to be around the oppisite sex and not have to worry about any kind of relationship. there were a few things i thought were odd, but never really gave it much thought while i was there. i didnt get to attend ESOAL, but i had planned to go home the week before. and was goin to fly back early to go to it, but plans didnt work out. after reading about the girl getting locked in a coffin with mice. im really glad i didnt attend, cause i would probably have a whole other set of issues to deal with, being im already clostophobic, and i hate rats. anyways i finished my year off like any other normal intern. when i left i had the lets take over the world complex, that lasted for about 6 months. after that day, i took my purity ring off and havent put it back on. 10 years later im still dealing with the depression and guilt i have put on myself for not living to the standards that were put on me. i dont really want to talk bad about them, cause i dont think it is entirely one person or one groups fault. i do believe that they meant well with good intentions and so how got blurred along the way. rules and guidlines one year, became Gods will the following year…i just stumbled on this website yesterday, and i havent been avid follower of teen mania since i left. nobody around here has ever really heard of them either. i hate see that it turned into this. our walks with GOD are our responsibilty. no one can do it for you.

  25. My child has been at HA for several years. As not to hurt them I will leave out identifying information. My child gave their life to that place. Ron Luce is a snake in wolf's clothing. He got people to pay him so he could use and abuse these kids. I know of several that were so emotionally abused that they were told by docs that they a version of PTSD. Now my child is depressed because all their friends left, can't find a job and having to figure out where to go from here. There were several good people there in leadership but most were just Ron's puppets. If you did do exactly as he said you got canned/sent home. I wish we had checked it out more before we sent our child. All those broken lives and Ron Luce does not care. It's all about him. We knew that after finding out more about this place that it was going to close. I feel sorry for all those that this man hurt. I pray that all those affected will be able to recover and move on.

  26. It was just announced today that the internship is over for good. They let Jeff Pruett go and anyone else that was involved in organizing the new internship

  27. Wow

  28. Is there any confirmation that Jeff Pruett was let go and that the internship is in fact done? Or is this just a case of wishful thinking.

  29. Jeff posted this on his facebook page on October 3rd-

    Jeff Pruett
    October 3 at 4:10pm · Edited ·
    This week marks the end of almost 6 years of service at Teen Mania Ministries. These past years have without question been the most trying and yet the most rewarding. I was notified this week that we will not be moving forward with the "new" internship in the foreseeable future and the need for me to "rebuild" the internship consequently is thus obsolete; this saddens me like the lost of a loved one. However, I know that God is sovereign and isn't finished with me and will open up a new door for me in His perfect timing. I am so extremely thankful to have served in as the Director of the Honor Academy and poured into so many amazing world changers! If you know or hear of any ministry opportunities that I could investigate please message me…I have until this point been solely focused on the Internship and have no plan "B". That is all for…now

  30. This is sad.
    Honestly I was considering attending the HA because I have friends that just graduated from there and absolutely loved it and I know there are other places to go, but I hope they're able to regroup and get it together. Reading some of the experiences here is definitely disappointing and I'm so sorry for every person that had to go through something like, I understand that huge desire to want to grow in Christ and to be served with something completely different must have been heartbreaking. As for me I still believe there is hope for the HA because the people that have been really influential in my life have gone through there and are honest with me about the ugly parts and the difficulties and still the beautiful stories and growth they've experienced far outweighs the ugly.
    God Bless 🙂

  31. Parents, do what ever you have to do to get in-between your child and TMI. The brain washing lasts for years beyond the indoctrination. I prefer to keep our family's experiences private. Just know, even though you may think you are doing the right thing, you are not. We, too, had the best intentions. But, as they say, you can't get toothpaste back into the tube. It is to late for my child. Both him and his wife went to TMI. His narcissistic points of view has cost him dearly in his adult life and there is no way to convince him of his errors. As his wife, with a masters-degree, sits at home trying to be a "Stetford Wife," living in a bubble-world of puppies and unicorns. Totally unproductive by anyone's measure. do whatever it takes to keep them from that place or suffer the guilt I have suffered for over 10 years now.

  32. Hey guys…do any of you know who to get in touch with to get a promised refund? My child was in the last class that prematurely ended in Aug 14, and I have still not received the refund. Trust me, I have called, emailed and left messages and still no luck. Any advice? Thanks so much

  33. The only time I've heard of anyone getting a refund is if they threaten a lawsuit. Maybe try that route?

    Although, last I heard they were having trouble making payroll so its likely the money is already spent….

  34. I'm sorry. I was angry and spoke harshly and accusatorially. I was wrong to question Jack's integrity. Please forgive me.

    I hope for an enlightened response from the Hayford and others on the Board now that the truth has outed and Ron Luce has admitted that most of what has been said on this site is indeed true. My attitude regarding that hopeful expectation was beyond unkind, though, and I do apologize.

    I no longer have my former Blog, so must comment through this means. Please post this, as it may help keep the door for dialogue open. Thank you.
    -Four Squared

  35. where does ron luce admit that most on this site is true?

  36. He said it in the last phone call he had with alumni…last year maybe?

  37. Thank goodness. This organization has been very effective at getting the Christian gospel out. I know many former interns from this place who are still working against Satan's kingdom. I also know many teenagers who were reached during this organizations Acquire the Fire events and have seen many lives taken from the American dream when they experience a mission trip. It is only natural for us to hate this organization and glory in their silence as our true nature is to obey the Prince of the Ruler of the Air, Satan.

  38. "Recovering" Alumni | May 27, 2015 at 2:38 pm | Reply

    This website is ridiculous. Teen Mania was amazing for countless people, yet you will only post things from the few pessimists you can find and will erase anything positive about the organization. Its strange to see you have plenty of time to harass, accuse and banter those who are out at least trying to further the kingdom of God through actual evangelism and mentoring.

    • There was good and bad. The problem is that there are so many good things that happened and the few bad things were so incredibly bad that they mask the good. TMM and HA have hurt as much if not more than helped. I was in H.A. North Minnesota campus. I was worked over 70 hours often without sleep because the office manager was my room mate and dictated everything I did. My undergrad year wasn't so bad except I had alot of health problems, often sick and the leader forced me to exercise or leave campus forever. He also forced me to run through the campus medow while having an asthma attack.
      The good that came from the academy was that I am still friends with the people that I was there with; we share horror stories. I learned how to push through pain past my breaking point.
      The mentoring is terrible. My mentor played favorites. TM CHOSE a woman who literally made me feel like I wasn't worth to be a pile of trash.
      They worked hard to separate me from my friends outside of TM. I was denied becoming a mentor my second year and forced me to be apart of the GI entensive training while also requiring me to be working around 70 a week (even on sundays though we were promissed to have weekends off) after planning a very successful program with the undergrads, i was forced off campus with a 24 hour notice (because I was behind on my payments). I had no where to go. I had no place to stay. I was literally homeless for nearly 2 weeks when i had to beg a church near by to buy me a ticket to get home and then beg my mom to drive 6 hours get a hotel room to come get me from the airport because it was the only flight available.

      I had some awesome times with God and for years that followed i thought it was the greatest place ever because that's what they made brain washed me to believe.

      Now, 6 years later after getting my college degree, i see TMM for what it is:
      A cult that brain washes you to pay for you're own torture.

  39. ^What's that thing about the Shepard going out to find his one sheep? Seems you stopped caring about the few sheep who were mistreated which isn't very Christian at all. But God knew what was right and that's why HA is dead….

  40. Friends, I know you are hurting, but this isn't the way to heal. Let the Holy Spirit extract the poison, instead of allowing the poison over take you and kill others. This isn't good for you or anyone else.

  41. Please tell me the website isn't really for "recovering" alumni. I took some time to read these post, and it doesn't sound like many of you are in the "recovery" phase. It sounds like TM is so important, consumes so much of your life, that you are stuck fueling the fire of pain you feel. I am sorry for the offenses TM has caused you. I hope that you are able to heal in a healthy manor. If forgiveness is really what you want to come to your heart, do not let slander overwhelm your speech. If you're teaching your children to trust in Jesus and not man, do it yourself. The offense is not justified, and neither is the ill intended rebuke that fuels the bitterness many people here, feel. Lastly, try not to speak ignorantly about the heart of this blog site. Using scripture as a means to justify the bashing, disrespect, and malice only reflects what's in your heart and will only bring you deeper wounds.

    "A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. What you say flows from what is in your heart." ~Luke 6:45

    Sincerely,

    Someone who was once hurt, but chose to forgive and do greater things.

  42. You realize this post is months old, right?

  43. So what now that it's all done. What are you to do with your lives?
    You're still left broken. And empty.

    Find healing in Christ.

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