The Myth of “the Line”

Dear Current and Recent Interns,

I hate to burst your bubble, but by and large, there is no “line.”* I know you’ve been told that you are joining the ranks of people who are committed to a life of integrity, honor and legalism. You’ve been told that you are free to confront us on any sin issue in our lives, even without knowing anything about us, just because we are members of “the line.” You are told that you can count on members of “the line” to help you in times of crisis.**

It’s a great motivational tool. I can see why the HA uses it. It sure makes you feel important and special. And it probably gives you incentive not to screw up, because you are feeling the pressure of everyone else watching you. Come to think of it, that’s probably one of the biggest reasons they sell you that line (ha, no pun intended!).

In fact, I dare Teen Mania to find 100 interns that have been out of the program for at least 10 years that still subscribe to their teachings. That would mean people that permanently left campus by the year 2000. That is probably a pool of at least 1,000 interns. So I am only asking for a measly 10%. I truly doubt they could even manage to scrape that many together.

While “the line” is crumbling year after year, the circle is growing. It’s a circle of people who are recovering from the judgment and shame that legalism brings. We encourage and accept each other no matter where we are on the journey. You might not be ready to join us yet, but chances are that you will eventually. We are slowly shedding our TM baggage so we can stand with open hands and open hearts basking in God’s love for us. And it feels good.

*In TM speak, “the line” is all the interns who have gone before that wear the honor ring and commit to a life of honor.

** Terms and Conditions Apply. Support does not apply to the following conditions: pornography, premarital sex, extended depression, suicidal thoughts, divorce, baby out of wedlock, homosexuality, being sexually abused, losing your “fire” or other “un-honorable” activities.

344 Comments on "The Myth of “the Line”"

  1. Whatever happened to 'judge not lest ye be judged'?

  2. I actually never put on the honor ring, or took the oath or anything, largely because of 'the line'. as he talked about how everyone with the ring had a right to hold me accountable, I looked around the banquet and realized that this was pretty much the last group of people in the world that i wanted to be held accountable for ANYTHING by.

    that, and there's just no biblical reason to be following something as enslaving as the honor code.

  3. I really love the way you describe the "circle," RA. You have attracted a very beautiful community here. I'm so happy I can be a part of it.

  4. Nunquam Honorablus | January 6, 2010 at 4:01 pm | Reply

    I love being apart of this little namby-pamby powwow 🙂

    And D, you're SUPPOSED to judge fellow believers! That's what Hasz says anyway. I forget from which Scripture he got that, but it sounded good at the time.

  5. It's not judging, it's being Held Accountable! "held accountable" … "judge" these words they are so wibbly wobbly.

  6. Nunquam Honorablus | January 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm | Reply

    So wibbly wobbly, in fact, that their meanings can change at a moment's notice to fit man's agenda and motives! Just like the infallible Word of God!

    … wait a minute. ._.

  7. Actually, that verse is not condemning those who judge. It's just saying that when you judge, you too will be judged in the same measure. And it's not a BAD thing, it's just… how it's gonna be. If you have victory in the issue? Cool! Go ahead and point out the issues in other believers. Like you said, we're being held accountable.

    I have issues respecting a man who wants so badly to hold everyone 'accountable' with public humiliation, and refuses to be held to the same standard.

  8. recovered9798 | January 6, 2010 at 6:09 pm | Reply

    love the “**“ …o how we are missing it, when we refuse to love through these things.

  9. One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, but is really sad, is the sense of betrayal you feel when the people you turn to for support offer you a cold shoulder. I know stories first hand of interns who suffered several of the things in the ** section and who were subsequently ignored by TM staff – including both Dave Hasz and Ron Luce.

  10. Nunquam Honorablus | January 6, 2010 at 6:52 pm | Reply

    … what??

    Oh, but bring that to Hasz and he'll say, "WELP, that's why it's so important to hold The Line™ accountable!!". He's told us several times about the importance of keeping each other accountable to the "commitment we made to a lifetime of integrity".

    Yet when they seek accountability they're tossed out like used toilet paper. Really? Ugh.

  11. for those interested, i found this good little study on judging (specifically relating to matthew 7), and it even addresses what matthew 7 means for the accountability of teachers: http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue94.htm

  12. Ex-Intern Aug 07 | January 6, 2010 at 8:14 pm | Reply

    Oh you're forgetting the latest!! Unless you haven't heard about it!

    They now call the community of alumni "The Fellowship of the Ring"

    Hahaha

  13. Nunquam Honorablus | January 6, 2010 at 9:11 pm | Reply

    Then it has all been in vain. The Fellowship has failed.

  14. It looks as if Dave has accepted my challenge. A reader just alerted me to Dave's facebook status this afternoon:

    I would love to hear stories from HA Alumni about how your year in the HA has impacted your lives and how that year has helped you be successful. I would like to use these stories to encourage others who are considering the Honor Academy and current interns. Please email me your stories to david.hasz@teenmania.org, or …to my facebook email. This should be fun – thanks to all of you.

    Good luck with that, Dave!

  15. Ex-Intern Aug 07 – I'm confused, does that mean we should be throwing our rings into a burning pit of fire…? Not that I would mind….

  16. thing is, he didn't specify when they were at the HA, so the challenge has not been accepted. it won't be too hard to find people one or two years out who are still gung-ho about it, and who says they won't just be GI's?

  17. You can't be serious. I know 50 alumni just myself that had a wonderful experience at the HA Pre-2000.

  18. Anon – I see you are logging on from Lindale via the TM network. I have a hard time believing that

    a) you even keep in touch with 50 people who left 10 years ago

    b) they would be honest with you if they did have a bad experience because of who you are (presumably staff)

  19. I actually do know some people from pre-2000 that still embrace TM teachings. Every single one of them also shuns anyone mentioned in **

    I don't call that success.

  20. Please cite the names of those pre-2000 alumni that have shunned the circumstances you mentioned in your post. I'm sure all of those alumni would like their name on here so they can hear how they have not showed the love of Christ to their fellow brother and sisters in the faith. I have yet to hear about someone purposefully shunning someone and not trying to help them.

  21. Are you kidding? You really want me to publish names? I hardly think thats appropriate. You can email me if you want to talk about individual people.

    I already mentioned that Dave and Ron have both particpated in the shunning…I can't give details without breaking confidences, so I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.

    I will say that some (most?)of the people you hold up as model interns are some of the most arrogant people I've ever met…

  22. Dear Anonymous
    I am a pre 2000 grad and I CANT think of 50 names!! haha
    This doesn't mean these people don't have strong relationships with Christ- just means they don't stand by the TM 'honor code' of that was set in the HA anymore!
    And unless they are currently working for TM most that I know don't even go to TM events (ATF,GE's, etc)- they are not what I would call supportive of TM.
    And I fully agree with you RA- *most are very arrogant – or completely clueless to life (in a real world outside the TM bubble)!!!

  23. J97 – shoot me an email. Recovering9798 wanted to get in touch with you.

  24. Curious George | January 8, 2010 at 3:03 am | Reply

    Here’s 2 thoughts I offer to you.

    1. Maybe alumni aren’t supposed to help those screw-ups who are going through the things listed in the Terms and Conditions because they simply weren’t taught how. Take homosexuality for example. When I think back on the years after I just got out, I remember the first dozen or so homosexuals I encountered in life. I was confused and had no idea of how to “reach them.” I thought back on my time at TM but was at loss for what to do. The things I was taught didn’t line up with the situations I was encountering.

    2. My second thought is more frightening. Maybe leadership doesn’t want alumni to associate with the screw-ups who are dealing with things found in the Terms and Conditions because they will realize that there were serious problems with the HA. Heaven forbid that a strong alumni see someone dealing with depression and suicide caused by spiritual abuse from the HA and then begin down that very same road of doubt and questioning. They may then to see some of the significant pain caused by the HA, the significant lapses in judge and the serious flaws in the theology of HA.

    Keep in mind these are just thoughts, but what if…

  25. Curious George–

    regarding your point 1, i think you're on to something there. it was all well and good to be "on fire for the Lord" and doing "His work" and whatever else we were told, but in the end we really only communicated with other believers and lived in this tightly insulated bubble. I work in a HIGHLY secularized profession now, and the culture shock was almost unbearable for the first few months…i didn't know how to relate to unbelievers, i was plagued with guilt for feeling as though i wasn't "living" the Gospel good enough [especially if I wasn't PREACHING to anyone who would listen], and i was convinced that God had sent me "into the mission field" and i was failing, miserably. The shame I felt was almost paralyzing–if I were supposed to be this model Christian, why did I feel like such a failure?

    Not to mention the finger-pointing I was doing with the Church at large. Their ministries were ineffective, they weren't REALLY doing things the way they were suppposed to, etc. Talk about an identity crisis–I couldn't find a way to reach out and love the people I was supposed to, but I couldn't relate toor understand the Church I was supposed to be a part of. It was a mess, for sure.

  26. h – Your last point is really good. I felt the same way – unable to connect with "heathens" OR "Christians" because I judged them both! Being in an environment like HA where you are constantly told you are superior to other Christians all the time can easily eliminate your ability AND desire to fellowship with other believers.

  27. h–I also agree with your points–and have lived them–readjusting to life with 'heathens' or 'lesser Christians' was difficult–I pray that you have adjusted and doing well and still love the Lord.

  28. I've been reading this blog for a while, but the thing I find funny was Ben saying anyone with that ring has the right to hold you accountable. When I remember back to my GE trip and the interns that wore the ring, this idea makes me laugh because the ring costs $86 from James Avery. So pretty much, there could be people apart of "the line" looking like total d-bags walking up to a person wearing that ring thinking they have the right to speak into their lives. "Ummmm honor acadamy what?? My mom bought me this ring when I got baptized.."

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