Is Teen Mania a Cult? Part 3

This is part 3 in examining the list of cult characteristics from the International Cultic Studies Association and how it relates to the Honor Academy internship.

– The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

True & False. I haven’t seen or heard anything to indicate that they encourage interns to lie or raise money falsely. However, the leadership OFTEN lies and comes up with very strange and abusive means of “discipleship.” The interns are held to a much higher standard than leadership or the organization as a whole.

– ‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

True. True. Oh, so true. It has taken me years to work through this one and I am still working on it. The leaders shame both from the pulpit and in individual interactions. Just look at the category on spiritual abuse to see ample evidence of this. I would go so far as to say that this might be the most dominant characteristic of the Honor Academy.

– Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

Cutting ties with family is never required (that I know of). I have heard many stories of interns who graduate from the internship and can no longer relate to their friends and family except in judgmental ways, so relationships can definitely be damaged. During the internship, you are living in the middle of nowhere Texas, and you are kept so busy that your ability to stay in touch with friends and family is quite strained. ‪

– The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

This is a constant. Always recruiting for conferences and next year’s crop of interns.

– The group is preoccupied with making money.

Preoccupation may not be the right word. TM is in enormous debt, so there is a strong emphasis on campus to reduce spending and raise money. Of course, interns have to raise money to pay for the privilege of working full time at Teen Mania but they have also been asked/required to raise additional funds for the ministry at certain times.‪ It is a well known fact that TM makes their money off the GE mission trips so if not enough missionaries are signed up, they will reassign interns to the missions call center in order to bring the money in.

– Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

Uh, yeah. That is pretty much the stated goal of the Honor Academy.

– Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

This happens by default. Of course, interns are encouraged to minister to the lost, etc but no real relationships can be formed outside the Teen Mania campus (or bubble, as its affectionately referred to by the interns). David Hasz has said on more than one occasion that the best case scenario is marrying another intern, because only they can truly understand how impacted your life was by the Honor Academy.

– ‪ The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

True and False. The goal of the internship is not to keep everyone there for life. There is no mechanism for that and their goal is to train leaders to go into the world and continue their work. However, there definitely is a stigma to anyone who leaves or considers leaving the group before their appointed year is up. After all, they’ve given their word – they’ve even signed a document – that they would stay for a year. So leaving is seen to be against God’s will and a disobedient act. And they do often encourage interns to stay for a second year, even going so far as to say that unless God specifically calls you away, it means you need to stay.

Click to Read: Conclusion – is the Honor Academy a cult or not?

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  1. "David Hasz has said on more than one occasion that the best case scenario is marrying another intern, because only they can truly understand how impacted your life was by the Honor Academy."

    I got all kinds of creeped out vibes when I just read this!!!! Wow. And I BELIEVED that too!
    yikes.
    That was a CONSTANT teaching at the H.A. ugh. No wonder interns leave and don't get married for like, years. They think they actually went through something so amazing no one else can even understand. Ha! Truth is they actually need some therapy!

  2. When I came home from the internship I forgot how to relate to people. Prior to the internship I was a social butterfly that had a lot of friends. After the internship, I had nothing of value to talk about and really forgot how to relate to "normal" people and "normal" christians. I still struggle greatly with this.

  3. Saying you can only marry another intern because only they understand is like telling someone in the military they must marry another military person because only they can understand. Actually, MOST people in the military are married to non-military people.

    Also, I must point out on your last point I disagree. I did indeed hear Dave Hasz tell our GI class several times that he would love for us to become "lifers." There is a goal to keep the cream of the crop for life.

  4. I spent a short time at the Honor Academy and the one thing that really drove me away was when they told me that "the wrath of God would be on [my] life" if I left. That is a direct quote that I heard both from the pulpit and in person.

  5. It is very disheartening to read this. I was an intern. I had prayed about whether or not to go, and I believe to this day that the Lord called me there. AND I even stayed a second year.

    AND yes, I married a fellow intern… He and I both prayed and fasted and knew that we were supposed to be together. It was not one of those times where I had strong feelings and so did he. When the Lord told me that my now husband was the one for me… I was both happy, but thought to myself… really Lord? he's not what I nessicarily had in mine?! BUT the Lord said that he was the one for me. AND told my hubby the same thing. So moving on….

    In regards specifically to the things said about Dave Hasz… he is not perfect, like EVERYONE… but he has often apologized to all the interns and alumni… even via facebook or email. He understands that there are some alumni such as yourself that feel hurt. AND he does not want a bad taste left in anyones mouth. I myself am sorry that you tend to view Teen Mania as a cult. I myself do not agree with you on many accounts of them being a full fledged cult.

    Now, as much as I sometimes disagreed with some of the rules, and even think they can be a little too strict… I also believe that it helped build a more disciplined me. I believe it is good for a lot of people(but not everyone of course) to go through a time where there are rules to build discipline in ones life. It's good to have structure in your life for a while. I am still not where I should be discipline wise, but Teen Mania definitely helped. It was also a great time to not have to worry about anything but my morning job, and spending time with the Lord. I took it as a time to gain BIBLICAL wisdom, and as a time to grow closer to the Lord, and I did. The best thing about Teen Mania was that I grew much closer to the Lord after the internship. It brought me to a deeper level, and I am very appreciative of that.

    May the Lord heal your heart and end any distension between you and Teen Mania,

    -INTERN Aug05-Aug06
    MT Aug06-Aug07

  6. At Anon 05-07 I feel like what you are saying is that I HAD A PERFECT EXPERIENCE so your experiences are invalid. That type of thought is a very prideful and unloving sentiment one I really hope Is not your ACTUAL thoughts. The thing about the distension between us and TM is that they continue to act in a very you are the ones that are shit for hurting instead of doing what God asked to do. I am no longer personally hurting from TM but I do feel like many many things they did and continue to do are very very wrong. I see things they have done even in the class of 2010 that make me sick. It is for this reason I hold out my hands as God asked us to In love and care for those that hurt. It is because of being hurt that my understanding of others hurts is great. I am sad that you feel the need to say something that honestly feels very backhanded in it's delivery.

  7. heart,
    are you serious?! according to your logic everytime someone comes on here and says hey i'm truly sorry about your experience because I was did not have said experience. Also I'm truly sorry you feel this way but i disagree. THOSE types of messages are prideful??? Any time someone post something that you disagree will you FEEL they are being prideful? I'm just trying to get a baseline off you.

  8. No Actually I have some good friends that had lovely experiences however the ones that did that I still speak to actually recognize that in fact there were problems even then and while they had a good experience it wasn't based on anything Teen Mania taught them and more what God taught them IN SPITE of TM. The person above really did feel like they were giving a back handed comment. Anything that's more I'm sorry you feel that way but my experience was wonderful with no REAL saying Wow what happened to those of you that it happened to was truly awful and I am sad that a place that was good for me hurt you so badly. This response was more Oh you were hurt well Teen Mania was really like this so I don't see why you have a problem type of post which is prideful and pretty backhanded.

  9. Thanks for clarifying. Although I will disagree with you on the other posters intent. Although I'm not reading the letter from your point of view. I look at it from face value.

  10. As a person who believes and truly loves God and just happen to come across this entire thing all parts and read it. Man All I have to say is its sad it makes me change my whole perspective on a lot of things. Its sad that people think they are helping someone and in all truthful really hurting them and yet they still do the same or worst even after they find out.

  11. Anon- Therein lies the Catch 22. They don't actually believe they are hurting anyone, so they continue. Instead, they blame those of us who were hurt citing that we weren't passionate enough, or the HA wasn't for us (since it isn't for everyone, yet everyone is admitted), or we are just bitter and angry. They have never truly taken responsibility because they don't truly believe they need to take any or that they have done anything to cause harm to anyone.

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